CDL Training

Starting my first day driving without a trainer.

7 stops. 379 miles. It’s pouring hard outside.

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Hawkins
Hawkins
10.07.2024
Ye, gonna be more experienced than his colleagues
Xander
Xander
10.07.2024
First day on the road, first time raining? Perfect
Jago
Jago
10.07.2024
just a part of the road
Iestyn
Iestyn
10.07.2024
There is nothing a true truck driver can't handle
Marni
Marni
10.06.2024
and crush somewhere
Jordan
Jordan
10.06.2024
NO, show character, it's not a good time for a break
Seamus
Seamus
10.04.2024
My father always said to me " The road will be there tomorrow " So call it a day
Pascal
Pascal
10.03.2024
Drive safe
Barney
Barney
10.01.2024
Learn
Eddie
Eddie
10.01.2024
If it ain't raining, it's not a day
Lepe
Lepe
10.01.2024
tail lights are your best friends
Leon
Leon
10.01.2024
for the love of all, don't forget to check your mirrors
Benito
Benito
09.30.2024
Embrace it
Strickland
Strickland
09.29.2024
Don't see it as a test, but as just a part of the nature
Aidan
Aidan
09.29.2024
good opportunity to practice
Johnathan
Johnathan
09.21.2024
Such a douche
Magnus
Magnus
09.21.2024
You should stop your career right there, cause this is your first day, and you're already crying like a baby
Denzel
Denzel
09.19.2024
Ask for help if you need it
Leroy
Leroy
09.15.2024
didn't your trainer teach you anything?
Milo
Milo
09.13.2024
radio up, it'll keep you company
Josie
Josie
09.12.2024
Show us how it's done
Mari
Mari
09.12.2024
🤣🤣
Addie
Addie
09.11.2024
All together
Mari
Mari
09.11.2024
What was it? tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquake?
Addie
Addie
09.11.2024
ve been driven through worse weather
Gordon
Gordon
08.23.2024
in such moments, I always sing along
Elias
Elias
08.19.2024
Hah, definitely
Orlando
Orlando
08.19.2024
how you gonna deal with the Texas heat?
Haroon
Haroon
07.10.2024
don't you forget to check your wipers?
Declan
Declan
07.08.2024
do the next ruck stop for a hot cup of coffee
Fergus
Fergus
05.26.2024
I don't see any punishments, it's just rain
Clayton
Clayton
05.26.2024
Nothing can be done about that. 🤷‍♂️ Mother Nature's way to punish you
Ayden
Ayden
05.24.2024
are you in a hurry?
Duke
Duke
04.25.2024
It is a new lesson
Tamsin
Tamsin
04.25.2024
Be open to new experience
Jean
Jean
04.17.2024
It's the drivers in the small cars you should worry about more
Dewi
Dewi
04.16.2024
washin' your rig for you
Fred
Fred
03.05.2024
Keep a steady hand on the wheel and you’ll do just fine
Josef
Josef
11.26.2023
Just think of it as nature’s way of saying ‘welcome to the job
Daniels
Daniels
09.20.2023
Grab your rain gear and hit the road! Nothing like a little water to test the new wheels 🛞
Bernard
Bernard
08.22.2023
WTF! you're a big boy
Mcleod
Mcleod
07.10.2023
listen up. You're a big battleship out there, wha can you be afraid of?
Eva Johnson / Customer Support
Eva Johnson / Customer Support
04.13.2023

Driving a passenger car is easier than driving a truck because there are many nuances to it. Trucks are clumsy and heavy, and most accidents with them lead to terrible consequences. Naturally, the driver of the truck should be a professional so as not to create dangerous situations on the road. In order to adequately learn the theory of truck driving and good practice, it is necessary to apply to an official driving school. If you learn driving from ordinary drivers, then later you can make a lot of mistakes, which can cost the life of the driver and other people. That is why drive with a professional trainer.

Valuable tips

Successfully navigating all sections of the road depends on the skillful operation of all truck mechanisms.

It is recommended to read valuable tips that will help in driving alone:

  • If the truck is equipped with a trailer, you should start in first gear on hazardous sections. Dangerous sections include too-soft ground, washed-out areas, and snow.
  • You should always be predictable for the other participants on the road so that they do not make mistakes too. I recommend keeping the right distance, giving way, and making maneuvers if necessary.
  • The truck should brake smoothly, increasing the pressure on the pedal gradually.
  • It is dangerous to stop the car on the slope, so you should not do it. If it becomes necessary, you need to take all measures to ensure that the car does not roll down. To do this, engage the parking brake, put chocks under the wheels, turn off the fuel supply, and engage first gear.
  • Don't immediately go it alone. The last few months have been spent with a teacher seated next to you. Even if they didn't need to step in, that safety net was there, directing you in the right direction. After passing your test, make an effort to avoid taking your first few drives alone. Ask a parent or acquaintance with more driving experience to drive with you on a few short trips. Although they won't have the dual controls on their side of the vehicle, simply having a companion alongside you who is eager to offer guidance might ease first-time jitters.

Please, take into consideration weather conditions also. So be safe when you are driving alone without a trainer, and follow the tips mentioned above.

Samson Archer
Samson Archer
04.02.2023
It's a little water 💧
Aine
Aine
04.02.2023
Imagine you're drivinп through a car wash 😂
Wilfred
Wilfred
03.28.2023
Oone stop at a time
Kirk
Kirk
03.04.2023
Just take it easy
Loui
Loui
02.21.2023
like mama always said, "Honey, you'll be all right"
Safiyyah
Safiyyah
02.13.2023
slow and steady wins
Greene
Greene
02.09.2023
You got this
Mike
Mike
01.17.2023
Good luck and take your time. GOAL EVERYTIME when it’s pouring rain because your aren’t able to see as well.
Keanu
Keanu
01.16.2023
+ Stop over thinking it. Both hand on the wheel, pay attention to your surroundings, and don’t be in a hurry.
Alastair Glover
Alastair Glover
01.16.2023
Take your time. It’s not a race.
Grayson
Grayson
01.15.2023
Go slow. Don't force anything and get out and look if you're not sure.
Iqra
Iqra
01.15.2023
Don't fuck up! 😁
Krueger
Krueger
01.14.2023
Good luck and never stop learning! You'll be just fine, just remember to take your time. Use as much real estate as you can when maneuvering.
Levi
Levi
01.11.2023
Millions of us idiots out here doing it, join the crowd..keep with the flow of traffic
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Mulder
Mulder
10.07.2024
don't take it to heart, good days outweigh bad
Alastair Glover
Alastair Glover
10.07.2024
stress is only in your head
Grayson
Grayson
10.07.2024
Today is too much stress to be a trucker
Mari
Mari
10.07.2024
I adore these connections more than the money I make
Addie
Addie
10.06.2024
you make lifelong friends along the way 💪
Magnus
Magnus
10.04.2024
You're gonna have a not-so-great start, but you'll manage it through
Denzel
Denzel
10.04.2024
never stop learning
Fred
Fred
10.04.2024
The trucking life ain't for the averages
Daniels
Daniels
10.04.2024
Know every piece of you truck like the back of your hand
Artur Ishch
Artur Ishch
10.01.2024
Even stupid ones 😂
HFUER
HFUER
09.30.2024
Don't be afraid to ask questions
Roman
Roman
09.30.2024
no matter how bad it gets, never let the road destroy you
Alex
Alex
09.29.2024
trucking's a game of patience
Rory
Rory
09.28.2024
glad to see the new blood
Orlando
Orlando
09.28.2024
glad to have you brother
Haroon
Haroon
09.15.2024
You need to remember two things: 1) clean your rig 2) secure your cargo
Aidan
Aidan
09.09.2024
seen the novices come and go, but not all of 'em finished the season
Johnathan
Johnathan
09.03.2024
New guardian of the goods 🛡️
Declan
Declan
08.30.2024
shiny new penny on the road
Fergus
Fergus
08.18.2024
Happy trails! 🛣️🚛
Clayton
Clayton
08.03.2024
every mile is a new lesson
Ayden
Ayden
07.24.2024
In short, don't be a stranger
Duke
Duke
07.24.2024
100% Don't reject help, and help others
Tamsin
Tamsin
07.21.2024
We're all about the brotherhood here
Jean
Jean
05.05.2024
Everyone's gonna underestimate you, be stiff as a board
Dewi
Dewi
05.05.2024
Welcome! 🚚💪
Bernard
Bernard
05.05.2024
Be ready for a wild ride as a newbie
Mcleod
Mcleod
05.05.2024
don't neglect to take proper care of your truck, she's your home away from home
Samson Archer
Samson Archer
04.23.2024
That's no small feat
Aine
Aine
04.17.2024
always eyes on the road 👁️👁️
Wilfred
Wilfred
03.15.2024
Bad weather too
Kirk
Kirk
03.15.2024
Ye, sometimes you have to deal with crazy people
Loui
Loui
03.14.2024
Don't have illusions, there aren't always sunshine or rainbows out there
Safiyyah
Safiyyah
02.20.2024
Let us help if you need any advice
Greene
Greene
02.05.2024
take care of yourself out there
Josef
Josef
02.05.2024
Time to hit the road and make some green 💲💲
Elias
Elias
09.15.2023
Now you’re rolling with the big dogs 💪
Sion
Sion
07.09.2023
without a doubt
Seamus
Seamus
07.09.2023
Ready for the freedom?
Krueger
Krueger
06.22.2023
That's awesome
Sion
Sion
06.22.2023
Ye, I always wanted to be a trucker. I like such lifestyle
Osian
Osian
06.22.2023
Hope it is not just about going from point A to B for you, but something more
Gordon
Gordon
05.12.2023
Welcome to the big leagues
Iqra
Iqra
04.24.2023
You're a real trucker now!
Eddie
Eddie
03.12.2023
be ready, long hauls are waiting ...literally!
Lepe
Lepe
03.05.2023
Now you're cooking
Pascal
Pascal
02.10.2023
and your hands on the wheel 🛞
Barney
Barney
02.10.2023
Don't forget to constantly keep your eyes on the road
Milo
Milo
01.11.2023
Congratulations, now, the real education begins
Keanu
Keanu
01.10.2023
Congratulations!!
Mike
Mike
01.09.2023
Congrats Did they atleast show you how to hook up to a trailer? 🤣🤣🤣
Marni
Marni
01.08.2023
congrats
Benito
Benito
01.07.2023
Congrats! Now the fun part.
Josie
Josie
01.07.2023
Feel the pain
Leroy
Leroy
01.07.2023
Nice!
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MAKE THE DREAM OF BECOMING AN OWNER/OPERATOR A REALITY Commercial
what are your guys thoughts on new driver employment contracts?

They want me to sign a one year contract. The contract is super simple, all it says is: "Our training costs ~$14,800, and we require you to complete 12 months of employment. If you do not complete 12 months of employment, we reserve the right to seek legal restitution for the cost of the program." Now I have no idea if I will want to compete a full year with this company or not. I'm curious how binding a contract like this really is, or if it is even lawful at all.

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Pascal
Pascal
04.12.2024
You don’t want to end up in a financial ditch if things go south
Clayton
Clayton
06.30.2023
Buddy, that’s a hefty price tag for training. Make sure you’re not biting off more than you can chew.
Sion
Sion
04.07.2023
A year on the road ain’t a short haul
Eddie
Eddie
12.29.2022
Are they paying off your schooling or raping you in the asshole?
Marni
Marni
12.28.2022
Never heard of this before.
Xander
Xander
12.25.2022
Do NOT sign yourself into ANY form of servitude. There are some MEGAs that do this too regarding leasing a truck. At the very minimum the contract won't say how many hours/miles/$ you are guaranteed in those 12 months so there are setting you up for failure.
Barney
Barney
12.24.2022
I'm not sure if it is binding but I wouldn't sign it. Since you have your CDL you shouldn't have to sign a contract. Those that don't have a CDL shouldn't sign a contract saying they will owe $14000.
Iestyn
Iestyn
12.24.2022
1 year contracts are pretty common for training companies, now the $14,800 cost is absolutely bullshit
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I learned very little form my trainer.
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Aidan
Aidan
04.13.2024
You’ve got your CDL, and that’s what counts.
Josef
Josef
09.01.2023
The real learning starts when you’re in the driver’s seat, making those cross-country runs.
Orlando
Orlando
07.24.2023
Time to hit the books and the road to make up for lost miles.
Pascal
Pascal
12.21.2022
Really depends on the company. Most mega carriers put people with barely more experience than a fresh hire in a trainer's position.
Sion
Sion
12.21.2022
Fresh out of training and I have learned more on my own is that normal?
Keanu
Keanu
12.20.2022
I was honestly embarrassed my first day of trucking with how little I they taught me in school
Krueger
Krueger
12.20.2022
Most trainers are not good teachers. They opt into being a “trainer” for the extra pay. They are basically just baby sitters. Very normal to feel like you are learning much more on your own especially without the stress of being watched or stuck in a confined space with someone.
Hello
Hello
12.19.2022
Same here my company trainer didn't teach me anything, neither did my cdl school.
Thomas D.
Thomas D.
12.19.2022
First time i put on chains i was Solo driving through Vail Pass in colorado during a blizzard a few months after upgrading. Make friends online and ask lots of questions. Funny thing about truckers is the road is so lonely they are very talkative and helpful with online communities.
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If a company is sponsoring my CDL

If a company is sponsoring my CDL, does that mean that they do the road test, or do I need to take it at the DMV? If I get my CDL in Florida, does that mean I can only get hired by a company that has a location here? Sorry for the questions, but Youtube and Google weren't being as clear as I needed.

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Declan
Declan
02.06.2024
As for getting hired, a CDL from Florida is valid nationwide, so you’re not limited to companies only in Florida.
Clayton
Clayton
11.22.2023
Florida’s CDL is good all over the map. Don’t matter where you get it, it’s your passport to the open road anywhere in the U.S
Tamsin
Tamsin
02.15.2023
Hey, if a company’s footing the bill for your CDL, that’s a green light to a solid start. Just make sure you ace that road test at the DMV.
Marni
Marni
12.13.2022
You'll still need to take it at the DMV or licensing center, in every state I'm aware of. And no, if you have an interstate license you can work for companies regardless of their location. I got my CDL in PA, my first job was a company based in OK, next was IL, and current one is in OH.
Keanu
Keanu
12.12.2022
I did the Swift Academy in Corsicana, TX, and we road tested with our instructors. They gave us like a document or something that we presented to the DMV that stated a certified instructor passed us, and we didn’t have to do it there. But of course that varies, so make sure you ask.
Krueger
Krueger
12.10.2022
Most places have their own DOT-certified testers. You can work in any state, usually. If you move out of FL and try to get a local position in a different state, some companies require a CDL from that state. Every state has different requirements for transferring a CDL so it can be a pain in the ass sometimes.
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Mills Transfer Trucking Company and training Good or Bad?

I was thinking about Mills company training - Does anyone know anything about them? The school is 2,500 which seems cheaper than most. Thanks 😁😁

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Addie
Addie
02.11.2024
Heard good things about Mills, buddy. Their CDL program’s a steal at $2,500. Just make sure you’re ready for the long haul.
Declan
Declan
07.21.2023
I’d say go for it.
Denzel
Denzel
01.14.2023
Mills? Yeah, they’ve been on the road since '36. Solid company, and that price for training ain’t too shabby.
Marni
Marni
12.08.2022
been with them for 7 months now. good miles. I average 2500-3200 a week my lowest was 1900 and that was over the holidays and I was home for 4 days. I drive a 2005 T2000 with a 10 speed. no trucks older than 3 years old.
Alex
Alex
12.08.2022
Did you work for them? Are they a good company to work for - miles - equitment- any info would help out . Thanks for you input!
Marni
Marni
12.07.2022
I went through training with millis transfer and would recommend it to anyone. the training is first class and you learn to safely operate a big truck. it is not a cdl mill. the instructors really care about teaching safe driving. you complete 3 weeks of training and then go out with a trainer without you cdl.
Iestyn
Iestyn
12.06.2022
My brother in law was an o/o team with his brother and loved it there. He got out of it to go back to school to become a teacher. He said it was a very good company and would go back if he got the urge.
Strickland
Strickland
12.05.2022
Millis does care if you are a student coming into them however as an EXP driver who came to them I was amazed who poorly run the company was run. When the drivers the person who actually drive and deliver the freight that pay the bills are treated like a second class citzens at the headquaters that is for the birds
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No experience, looking to get my license

Anyone know of places that hire on the spot ? Got my permit ,was excited to start with TMC and then was told can you lift 80-100ib tarp. (Wipes tear ,DAMN YOU TARP).

Anyone know of places that hire on the spot ? Got my permit ,was excited to start with TMC and then was told can you lift 80-100ib tarp. (Wipes tear ,DAMN YOU TARP). I’m 5,3 125ibs. So back to the drawing board,called yellow,xpo, swift,Werner,etc. Looking to get paid while training and needing a ride there ,with provided meals and having the option to pay the tuition cost back while working ,with at least a 6month-1year contract. Any recommendations for companies?

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Josef
Josef
05.22.2024
Well, ain’t that a load of gravel? TMC got you doin’ tarp gymnastics like a circus act.
Daniels
Daniels
10.11.2023
Roehl Transport might be your dream. They have a training program, and they’ll even cover your tuition costs.
Elias
Elias
06.03.2023
Hey there! 🚚 If you’re just starting out, check out Prime Inc. They offer paid training, and rumor has it they’ve got a soft spot for rookies.
Eva Johnson / Customer Support
Eva Johnson / Customer Support
04.12.2023

First and foremost, you must get a driver's license for the kind of vehicle you intend to use for delivery work. A regular but still valid driver's license will be taken into consideration for delivery driving employment if you plan to use a light goods vehicle truck for your deliveries.

However, if you want to drive a heavy goods vehicle truck, you must have a commercial driver's license. I would advise getting a state-issued ID card or a passport as a bare minimum, as you are legally obligated to provide evidence of identification to any new employment. A state ID can be obtained without a diving license.

To increase your work options, get your Class A CDL and, at the very least, the tanker endorsement. The hazmat and doubles/triples endorsements are advantages, however, the majority of trucking businesses that want these two endorsements also demand more years of experience.

Driving a commercial vehicle is the only experience that trucking firms would accept, with a preference for local or long-distance driving. There is absolutely no other option, but thankfully, many businesses recruit drivers with no prior experience.

Mulder
Mulder
12.03.2022
I went through a local road construction company that ran side dumps. They told me if I went and got my CLP, they’d hire me and pay for my actual CDL. Then again, that was also before the bullshit truck school requirement.
Marni
Marni
12.03.2022
The big tarp they have you lift is actually 120lbs. With a little practice I'm sure you could do it. Pulling yourself up onto the side of the trailer would probably be more challenging. I've heard of them letting really short people just climb onto the back of the trailer, but I'm not sure.
Keanu
Keanu
12.02.2022
Literally any mega. You found TMC, look along those avenues. Schneider, Swift, C.R. England, Prime, Maverick, Melton, etc etc.
Krueger
Krueger
12.01.2022
Try WEL Companies in Wisconsin. They will train you as well.
RoadMan
RoadMan
12.01.2022
Try FFE.
Roman
Roman
12.30.2022
I would recommend Wilson Logistics or Prime. Most of the other mega carriers are all the same shit. Stay away from CR England and CRST like your life depends on it.
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CDL Testing

So I went through a CDL school in Wisconsin. The examiner tells me that he puts the paperwork in the system and then I need to go to my home state to get a hard copy of my CDL.

So I went through a CDL school in Wisconsin. The examiner tells me that he puts the paperwork in the system and then I need to go to my home state to get a hard copy of my CDL. I am in Florida, and I went down to the DMV after 3 days of getting tested out and the DMV says they don't have any info on my license. The guy at the DMV asks me if I took the test on a manual or automatic. Doesn't the paperwork state which I took the test on, manual of automatic? Would like to say, "manual", even though I didn't. And yes, I have driven a manual for years but let my license expire.

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Orlando
Orlando
02.11.2024
Say the truth, what is the point?
Haroon
Haroon
08.04.2023
Well, buddy, sounds like you’re caught in a traffic jam of bureaucracy! 🤣🤣
Clayton
Clayton
03.13.2023
Don’t sweat it about the manual or automatic question.
GGG
GGG
12.02.2022
Because as I said, a 'manual' in a car isnt the same as a 'manual' in a truck. You said in your post that you got your license in an automatic. You never clearly said that you have ever driven a manual in a truck, and that would be the reason I added it 🫤
Osian
Osian
12.02.2022
GGG, already stated that I know how to drive a manual (5 plus years), so don't know why you felt the need to add this.
GGG
GGG
12.01.2022
One thing to note here is that driving a synchronized transmission (like in your car) isnt the same as driving an un-synchronized transmission (like in a big truck)... When I was a CDL instructor, I found it was easier to teach people that DIDNT know how to drive a stick than those that 'knew' how...
Marni
Marni
12.29.2022
Definitely tell them 'manual'.
Xander
Xander
12.28.2022
Just say 'Yes'
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Failed, Now It Seems That No One Will Hire Me

Hi this is my first post on newjobs4you and it's actually a question. I recently went through a CDL program with a smaller well-known company I've had my CDL before but back in 2003

Hi this is my first post on newjobs4you and it's actually a question. I recently went through a CDL program with a smaller well-known company I've had my CDL before but back in 2003 I did not receive the proper training but the state of Texas went ahead and gave me my CDL fast forward to now 2022 small minor company put me through training I could not get my 90° back during my third and final practice CDL test and they let me go now I cannot find a job or a driving company that will hire me or train me to God at the company I worked with for two weeks and 3 days Told Me Maybe the program was too fast-paced for me and I needed more training for my 90° back mind you I've had my CDL was tinker and HazMat endorsement when I lived in Texas I've been in New York for 6 years now and I called and fill out applications for all the mega couriers to have page TV or training but none of them want anything to do with me I don't want to put the name of the company where I attended orientation training because they did what they could do I'm just wondering if anyone here has experienced anything like this and how did you overcome it and if anyone else has any of your ideas because I really would like to get back into driving a truck for a living ,

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Fred
Fred
01.29.2024
Don’t let the bumps in the road get you down. You’ve got the grit and the guts to have made it this far
Josef
Josef
01.15.2024
We’ve all hit a pothole or two on the road of life.
Daniels
Daniels
02.01.2023
Hey buddy, keep your chin up
Hello
Hello
11.26.2022
You are going to have to complete behind-the-wheel training again before you will be able to re-test for your CDL. Your options would be to pay for the training yourself (not the best option) or find a company willing to hire you for CDL training. 4 companies that might be willing to bring you on for training are Dutch Maid Logistics, PAM Transport, Millis Transfer, and Witte Bros. I am not a 100% certain if Witte Bros and Millis Transfer hire drivers out of New York. I do know that Dutch Maid Logistics and PAM Transport do.
Benito
Benito
11.25.2022
This is all over the place. Do you have a CDL? How long? Slow down and explain the 2003 to now. Just trying to make sense of this. Not trying to offend. If post was a little clearer you will get a lot of info on here to assist you.
Epic
Epic
11.24.2022
I believe Millis will hire to train you if you meet the requirements. They have a school in Carlisle, Pa and drop yard in Baldwinsville, NY
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Training simulator

The trucking school I'm going to wants to do almost all truck training in a simulator insted of on the road in a real tractor and trailer. What are your thoughts on this?

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Ayden
Ayden
04.05.2024
Sure, simulators are cool and all, but they can’t replicate the feel of a 10-speed under your boots or the smell of diesel in the mornin
Duke
Duke
03.29.2023
Hope it comes with a virtual diner 🤣🤣
Tamsin
Tamsin
01.21.2023
Next thing ya know, they’ll have us haulin’ virtual cargo and gettin’ paid in pixels!
Callum
Callum
11.23.2022
Luckily they havent got the simulator yet and am doing all the training in a real semi. It was super hard at first because it was litterally my first ever time driving a semi and manual and we did all this on a public road with lots of parked cars.
Keanu
Keanu
11.23.2022
Yeah...I would never attend a school that did that. I'm not even sure it meets the ELDT driving requirement.
Benito
Benito
11.19.2022
I would not go to the school, you need real world experience
Marta
Marta
11.19.2022
Do they actually say they are going to do virtual training almost exclusively? Or are they just saying they will have this to show you certain scenarios you can't replicate instantly on the road? Most of the mega carriers have these but it's just a short little run to show you some stuff you can really provide in an instant.
Mandeep
Mandeep
11.18.2022
I've got hundreds of hours in American Truck Simulator on my PC! They should me my AZ & CDL in the mail already!!!
Thomas D.
Thomas D.
11.18.2022
nope, no way.. there is no substitute for the real thing under real world conditions
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